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they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to people who say, let's cut the salaries and outsource your job, everybody's only about profit and it is not about making sure that employers-- >>> you want the government -- [overlapping dialogue] >> it's called forced association. our founders would be in shock understanding that to get a particular job, you had to join an association that you may fundamentally disagree with, as the cost of employment. it is forced association. it is not protected by the first amendment. it is forced association. the right-to-work laws don't eliminate the unions-- >>> that's right -- let me bring up one point. a lot of good unions in de
they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to...
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there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the
there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it...
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in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is losing $30 to $40 million they'll be spending tens of millions to refill this later. >> eliot: one of the things that mystified me about the bill signed into law today why are cops and firefighters excluded. why is this good for workers? did he carve out the two unions that are friendlier to the republican party than any other? >> yeah, i mean cops and firefighters unions tend to be friendlier to the republican party. the police union i endorsed bush several times. cops and firefighters tend to be friendlier to republicans although many of them are solid democrats as well. so i think t
in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is...
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enforced union stes down 3%. that is a significant statement when it cos to right-to-work states in this cntry. >> it sure is. the real bottomine to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representaves, the right-to-work states have gned eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the dierence since 1990 has been 25 sts going from the forced unionism states to the right-to-work ates. peoplere voting with the feet. people don't want to forced into unionism, they don't wnt to have a pay union to keep their jobs. lou: and the fact of the matter is tt a heeritage study shows a quarter of union members would stop paying dues if they cod. they're being begin tha opportunitunder legislation. as we repor 22 states considerinit this yar, four of them tually got itdone including now most receny, of course, the state of michigan. how porful is this movement going to be over the course of the next
enforced union stes down 3%. that is a significant statement when it cos to right-to-work states in this cntry. >> it sure is. the real bottomine to it is people are voting with their feet. since 1990s -- since 1990 every time we've reapportioned the united states house of representaves, the right-to-work states have gned eight to nine representatives while the forced unionism states have lost eight to nine. the dierence since 1990 has been 25 sts going from the forced unionism states to...
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you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away the right to deuce deductions for teachers. that's why we're fighting here today, we want to stop this before they try it take away the rights of private sector workers to bargain over wages or pensions or health care. this is about democracy and about america. also want to say for economic development, governor snyder was just bragging yesterday 144,000 jobs since he's been governor. most of those created by the auto industry through collective bargaining. we sat down with ford, general motors, and chrysler, our in my opinion made
you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away...
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so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest perntage of union members in the country. the birthplace ofhe uaw. for what has been long considered a union strong hold, giving workers the freedom to choose. freedo to choose whether or not to pay a union and still keep their jobs. this will have national ramification. this is very historic day both for michigan at country. melissa: mark, is there aniable positive way to spin this for the union side? >> of course not. this is union-busting move by lame duck legislature. this i puppet marching to the beat of puppet tease, dick devs of amway who want to hurt unions. melissa: did they succeed? is there a way to battle back. >> of course we have ability to or
so is this the end for unions? joining me now is the the director of labor policy at mack kin gnaw center, who has been at the protests site all day. we have mark brenner, director of labor notes. vinnie, what do you make of what went on today? >> melissa, thanks for having me on. it is absolutely historic. you're talking about the state with the 52-week highest perntage of union members in the country. the birthplace ofhe uaw. for what has been long considered a union strong hold, giving...
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and how do the pro-union republicans pursue overturn this? and republicans acute in how they put together and appropriations bill and no automatic way to get a referendum to put it on the ballot. what they can do, however, is get 8%, signatures equivalent to 8% of the turnout in the 2010 election, the last gubernatorial election. if they collect 8% of the public like that they can put it on the ballot in 2014 so there would be that. the other issue is this. rick snyder is up for re-election in 2014 anyway. he already isn't that popular: michigan is generally a blue state to start with. so if you could take out rick snyder in 2014, again, the legislature as it will be comprised this coming year amenable with the democratic governor to undoing the law. >> you don't mean a recall. >> no, no. like in wisconsin, you know, a lot of people in the wake of that say how did scott walker win by so much? voters may not have liked what he did but they didn't like the idea of, you know, he's in the middle of the term. let him finish we elected him to. that
and how do the pro-union republicans pursue overturn this? and republicans acute in how they put together and appropriations bill and no automatic way to get a referendum to put it on the ballot. what they can do, however, is get 8%, signatures equivalent to 8% of the turnout in the 2010 election, the last gubernatorial election. if they collect 8% of the public like that they can put it on the ballot in 2014 so there would be that. the other issue is this. rick snyder is up for re-election in...
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the union actually has to by law defend that employee even if that employee is not paying union dues the union is compelled to do the union can't go shape for wages that are separate and promotions another thing i felt as though there is a free riders are getting all those benefits of unionization i mean whether they are not free riders or is this is something that happens in any society with any any system it happens and capital conservatives always protest against you know that's their that's your argument is it well ministers that take away someone's will and does this work for less than that studies show back and forth whether or not people make more make less thousand eight hundred dollars a year on average in rich work for less states people make less than they do and there are definitely studies that say otherwise and also the amount of money that's going to come in the state was supposed to jobs at a flea in indiana well balanced out people actually have jobs but right to work for less these guys want to right to not have to pay around nine hundred dollars a year and union du
the union actually has to by law defend that employee even if that employee is not paying union dues the union is compelled to do the union can't go shape for wages that are separate and promotions another thing i felt as though there is a free riders are getting all those benefits of unionization i mean whether they are not free riders or is this is something that happens in any society with any any system it happens and capital conservatives always protest against you know that's their that's...
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union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else is -- you're a big group that go on people's houses in wall street and bully those people and trespass. and overwhelm them and -- >> bob: wall street does that. >> andrea: where are the unions? >> dana: the unions did have an effective and important role in past. but i also think that other -- as companies have had to evolve, the unions need to evolve as well. they are getting terrible advice right now and there are ways to work with the governor, what only has their best interest in mind. what else does he want? why else would he do it? why? why? >> eric: >> bob: it brings people in to t
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i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor people. i think these are be a bore rags. >> what did we see in wisconsin. >> and we should condemn it on the left and the right. we are consistent on that. >> lanny, they inveighed the legislator of wisconsin shouting and hollering when from the balconies. if conservatives did that in the u.s. capitol, they would go to jail. >> i think they would both be wrong and i agree with you it hurts the labor union. as a pro labor democrat that's correct kind ever activity doesn't persuade undecided people. it turns off those people. so are they are hurting the labor movement by that kind of action. >> thank
i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor...
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who's in a union shop should pay union dues. you might ask why is that a big deal. well if not everyone's required to pay you're going to have people who enjoy the advantages of a union better pay and better benefits environment but who don't contribute to the union's survival at all. this only works if we're all in it together. and more than that, this law is going to starve unions of their funding. from a political perspective in this democracy that is their power. there are actually two separate pieces of legislation. first applies to private sector employees like autoworkers. second one is public sector employees like teachers. though, of course, it exempts firefighters and police officers which is a classic move that republicans use off ton pit unions against each other. this is the same trick that they probably learned i'm sure everybody knows from their colleagues in wisconsin. but even as protests continue, these bills are heading to governor rick schneider's desk. what's he going to do? back in february, he criticized t
who's in a union shop should pay union dues. you might ask why is that a big deal. well if not everyone's required to pay you're going to have people who enjoy the advantages of a union better pay and better benefits environment but who don't contribute to the union's survival at all. this only works if we're all in it together. and more than that, this law is going to starve unions of their funding. from a political perspective in this democracy that is their power. there are actually two...
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unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >> having voted for, the bill is passed. >> the michigan legislature today finished what they started out of the blue last week. they passed a pair of bills to take union rights away from public employees, and this is important, from workers in the private sector. you can see the reaction from supporters of union rights today at the capitol. more than 10,000 people gathered on the lawn outside. they say the protests today in michigan the largest the state has ever seen. the bills weaken unions in michigan by making i
unions. since the elections of 2010 we have seen this in indiana and wisconsin. republicans tried to do that in ohio too. and voters repealed the anti-union law by 22 points. today republicans succeeded in taking away union rights. they succeeded in weakening unions in the cradle of american labor, in michigan, in walter reuther's home. it didn't even take them all that long. >> mr. speaker, i have a question of final passage of senate bill 116. there are 58 aye votes and 52 nay. >>...
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to that union, i have got to join the union to get the job. why should i therefore have to pay money to that union? >> what is un-american is what you are suggesting, right to work. let me explain why it is un-american -- [talking over each other] >> nobody is denying the right to work. i'm trying to explain to you what you are saying is not democratic and un-american. this country is a democracy. majority rule. if the majority in a company vote to be in a union than that is what that is just like if you live in new york or l.a. and saying you are going to pay taxes in that city. you might not like the administration of government, you might not like -- you will pay city taxes or you can move out of the city. you can change the process and get involved in the same way -- stuart: i understand point. [talking over each other] stuart: voting to make michigan a right to work state. that is the democratic process. that is what is happening here. >> these people on lawfully legally expressing their opinion today. we have a mess on our hands. stuart:
to that union, i have got to join the union to get the job. why should i therefore have to pay money to that union? >> what is un-american is what you are suggesting, right to work. let me explain why it is un-american -- [talking over each other] >> nobody is denying the right to work. i'm trying to explain to you what you are saying is not democratic and un-american. this country is a democracy. majority rule. if the majority in a company vote to be in a union than that is what...
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when people join the european union where they will joining a federal union ok because you know what a lot of people will say is that they lost more and more of their freedoms to make decisions about their economies civil society sick cetera. well i totally disagree to that i mean of course the european union has to be based on subsidy or it's a principle which means that the decisions are made close as possible to the citizens on the other hand you know is an indication is that the case song truth is that the case let me finish all right go ahead yeah yeah of course about dontcha think that . in a case that a federal union existed with a federal strong budget that the sovereignty of the european citizens overall would be better than we have it now in that crisis we are all victims at the moment because we do not have a fully fledged clearly question is the people who join to create something like the united states yeah i mean they are going to they join it to create a united states of europe that has to be discussed i'm not saying yes there is no alternative to that and if they don'
when people join the european union where they will joining a federal union ok because you know what a lot of people will say is that they lost more and more of their freedoms to make decisions about their economies civil society sick cetera. well i totally disagree to that i mean of course the european union has to be based on subsidy or it's a principle which means that the decisions are made close as possible to the citizens on the other hand you know is an indication is that the case song...
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it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that governor snyder didn't get that. >> congressman gary peters, cindy estrada, wau, great to have you with us. >>> stay tuned. we'll tell you exactly where they're going in the next fight. s military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or
it's bad for union, not union. but one thing it is going to be good for right now, it's going to show working people in the state of michigan that we in fact need to be at the table, that we can't have outside organizations or legislatures or governors who think that they have all the answers and they don't want to include everyone in the discussion. that's not the way you recreate a state. that's not the way you contribute in a global economy. workers have a lot to offer. it's unfortunate that...
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i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a union. a clothes shop where they have to ha the union and i don't think that's freed, if you nt to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: buthe unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do y make of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. listen, everyone talks about the great comeback in detro inheuto sector, that's a mirage. micgan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global cale. >> neil: dagen? >> very significant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have to pay union dues if you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> very significant that
i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a union. a clothes shop where they have to ha the union and i don't think that's freed, if you nt to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: buthe unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do y make of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like...
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you would not know it watching the boisterous union protests, but unions are left intact by this new law. as is, the right to collective bargaining. the big victory for worker rights today, the elimination of the power of both public and private unions to demand and a worse dues from workers and the end of union power to force workers to pay what have been mandatory dues. michigan becomes the 24th state to enact right to work laws after legislation passed the state house of representatives and was sent on to governor rick snyder for his signature. protesters of this new law number some 10,000 at today's demonstrations. most league made up of uaw union of the workers, machinists, teachers, sometimes angry crowds that seem to be taking cues from their democratic leaders. one group described by those on the ground as a mob chanting and go home while tearing down a conservative activist group tent. a member of that mob scene right here. this as protesters are heard in the background threatening the police with violence. here he is trying to plead with pro union protesters to be less phys
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are you serious this is not anti-union? >> i don't view it as pro or anti-union. unions just need to be responsive to people to step up and deliver value. and workers have that choice. and workers should have that choice. they shouldn't be compelled to join something they don't see value in. >> virg bernero, isn't it interesting how government in michigan is so concerned about the relationship between union and its workers? >> yeah, it's interesting this freedom, freedom and this choice. you know, if the governor and others who are for this believe really in this kind of freedom and choice in a democracy, then why don't they make taxes voluntary? because the reality is that that's what union dues are. the majority has voted for a union, and the majority rules in a democracy. just like the majority voted for rick snyder. i might not agree with his policies as governor, but i don't have a choice to hold back on my taxes. i might not agree with the direction the president is taking, but i got to pay my federal taxes or the irs will come after me. so the idea that you
are you serious this is not anti-union? >> i don't view it as pro or anti-union. unions just need to be responsive to people to step up and deliver value. and workers have that choice. and workers should have that choice. they shouldn't be compelled to join something they don't see value in. >> virg bernero, isn't it interesting how government in michigan is so concerned about the relationship between union and its workers? >> yeah, it's interesting this freedom, freedom and...
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. >> got to a point where the modern unionizing schemes unions doesn't call themselves unions anymore. in the case of new york city they launched a campaign to try to unionize the fast food restaurant. they didn't call it the fast food restaurant unsions, they called it fast food forward. at this point i think unions are finally realizing that their brand is so toxic that they actually need to start rebranding themselves because frankly they haven't been willing or capable to actually adjust to a 21st century economy. they are stuck in the 1950s, and they want 1950s policies to return, return to protectionism and a whole slew of other policies that will hurt our economy so at this point they are sort of like becoming, well, almost extinct. >> what about that? are you stuck in the 1950s? >> absolutely not, and i think maybe just season in a little bit of a delusional stage here because unions in fact are the key right now in this weak economy. it's what we need. >> key to putting people out of work? you just put 18,000 people out of work. >> i didn't interrupt you. the key to balancing
. >> got to a point where the modern unionizing schemes unions doesn't call themselves unions anymore. in the case of new york city they launched a campaign to try to unionize the fast food restaurant. they didn't call it the fast food restaurant unsions, they called it fast food forward. at this point i think unions are finally realizing that their brand is so toxic that they actually need to start rebranding themselves because frankly they haven't been willing or capable to actually...
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the unions hate it. will the president step in? . detroit voted for him, the unions, mr. obama is there, what is he going to do? china is here buying part of the bailed out aig, buying 123 battery company and buying american mansions. that's what happens when china has the money and we've spent all of ours. or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it just common sense. from ameritrade. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holid deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fex office. >> two big stories coming together today in michigan. first off, the new right to work rules will become law tomorrow. the unions are absolutely furious out protesting yesterday and big demonstrations still to co
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don't count union don't count the union at here if anything. this is a state tom where michigan was invented and built on the efforts of unions this is the worst place the republicans could pick to make their fight not the best place they might have won today because mainstream media tried to create this hero out of this governor who is a total fraud who is nothing but a corporate toad for the car for the koch brothers for dick devotes for all of the regular suspects but now the fight is on and i can promise you they're not going to simply just take this you see fifty thousand people out there today that number i predict will grow to half a million before this is over with that would be extraordinary what are your thoughts on the one of the primary motivations for this being that mitt romney lost michigan by nine points he's like me i was born and raised in michigan so i believe he was as well he should have carried his home state you'd think. the unions helped turn out the democratic vote and the democratic party in the unions are very heavily
don't count union don't count the union at here if anything. this is a state tom where michigan was invented and built on the efforts of unions this is the worst place the republicans could pick to make their fight not the best place they might have won today because mainstream media tried to create this hero out of this governor who is a total fraud who is nothing but a corporate toad for the car for the koch brothers for dick devotes for all of the regular suspects but now the fight is on and...
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and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of the fiscal cliff. kent conrad said earlier it's too soon and involve -- permit too much time for the advocates to take time at it. thank you very much. we'll talk to you tomorrow i hope. that does it for this edition. tomorrow we have a big show. congresswoman rogers, chair of the house republican conference, former obama foreign policy adviser, former pentagon advis r adviser, "the washington post" eugene robinson and oliver stone. tamron hall is right here. >> hey there, andrea. great to be in d.c. an it is your town. we'll talk about when's happening. another town, michiga
and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of...
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join unions. what we want to do is now is to encourage that. >> you want to bring jobs to michigan, you want to bring business to michigan, but the thing is, you know, some businesses won't hire or even work with some of the unions because in these times they simply cannot afford it. and proponents of right to work, they say like bobby say this attracts economic development. do you disagree with that? >> that's absolutely untrue. what happened right now is michigan is on its way back. we have very low unemployment going down here. we're thriving. the auto industry is back. the state is coming back because of what barack obama did. this state turned the corner now. we're creating good jobs here with good wages. without right to work. this is basically a step backward, so we're going to end up like some state where people make $4500 less than a state that doesn't have right to work. >> in the meantime, what do you do to prevent people -- what do you do to prevent the hemorrhaging of workers from mic
join unions. what we want to do is now is to encourage that. >> you want to bring jobs to michigan, you want to bring business to michigan, but the thing is, you know, some businesses won't hire or even work with some of the unions because in these times they simply cannot afford it. and proponents of right to work, they say like bobby say this attracts economic development. do you disagree with that? >> that's absolutely untrue. what happened right now is michigan is on its way...
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and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is about to be released some liberals are speaking out and taking aim at what they're calling the glorification of torture in this movie. here is a clip from "zero dark thiry". >> can i be honest with you? i am bad news. i'm not your friend. i'm not going to help you. i'm going to break you. any questions? martha: i think a lot of people are looking forward to seeing this and seeing how it depicts the raid that killed usama bin laden. a huge moment in the history of our country of course. i'm joined by pete hegseth, u.s. army veteran and ceo of concerned veterans for america. >> thank y
and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is...
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union states to follow suit. the incoming house minority leader in michigan slammed the governor. >> now it is official ladies and gentlemen the governor of michigan is one greedy nerd and he is one week geek. we are not going to take it ian more. he wasn't satisfied with out sourcing thousands of jobs while on the board of gateway computer, he wants to turn michigan into the same low wage environment we see in china. >> this may not be the final word. we could see legal challenges. but right to work advocates chalked up probably their most significant victory by adding michigan to their list. back to you guys. >>> thank you, doug. these developments out of michigan the big talker this morning as you saw the protests turning violent. >> evidences assaulted. the violence at the rally compared to that of the tea party rally. sean hannity and ann coulter are talking it. >> eerie time you look at wisconsin, you look at michigan, you look at the occupy movement, you look at the g-8, g 20 summits all these things it's
union states to follow suit. the incoming house minority leader in michigan slammed the governor. >> now it is official ladies and gentlemen the governor of michigan is one greedy nerd and he is one week geek. we are not going to take it ian more. he wasn't satisfied with out sourcing thousands of jobs while on the board of gateway computer, he wants to turn michigan into the same low wage environment we see in china. >> this may not be the final word. we could see legal challenges....
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can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody who supports the unions about finding a way to overturn this. they have three options and is to pursue a legal challenge to how the law was passed in the legislature. the second involves beating sick snyder, the governor's race that requires them to win both houses. it looks like a long shot that looks like the boast bankable bet to collect signatures equivalent to 8% to the total number of votes cast. that means 258,000 signatures. then they can get a referendum on this. is that the best bet for people to overturn this? >> it's sti
can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody...
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union power next on "now." when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. when you give a child a toy, it has to work. ♪ make just one someone happy and when it's a toys for tots child, well, what could be more important? so this year, every hasbro toy donated to toys for tots will be powered by duracell. happy holidays. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. >>> protests erupted inside the michigan state capitol after the republican controlled state house passed legislation that would weaken organized labor. at one point police put the capitol on lockdown barring people from entering. the president of the united auto workers union reportedly one of those locked out. the legi
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and what this law changes is forced union membership, i repeat, forced union membership. so why is the president, and why are the unions so upset? in this case, it is about the money. specifically union dues, less money, mea less political power, this is the offset to the right to work, the right to power, and the unions think that is their right. other states like idaho and oklahoma pass right-to-work laws their union dues paying membership, those unions, dues pay membership fell by 15%. down 15%. if that happens in michigan, the heritage foundation has come up with estimate to how much the unions in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wes to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just a
and what this law changes is forced union membership, i repeat, forced union membership. so why is the president, and why are the unions so upset? in this case, it is about the money. specifically union dues, less money, mea less political power, this is the offset to the right to work, the right to power, and the unions think that is their right. other states like idaho and oklahoma pass right-to-work laws their union dues paying membership, those unions, dues pay membership fell by 15%. down...
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itself did and coming into union lines. but, in fact, in the early part of the war i think more slaves were coming to these ships. >> good point. >> that were operating in the tide waters or estuaries of the south atlantic cote and the gulf coast and, of course, the rivers of the west. when dupont's fleet captured the port royal bay and then spread out to capture all of the south carolina, georgia and florida sea islands and capture a number of other ports there, brunswick, fernadina, st. augustine and so on, that liberated tens of thousands of slaves. it wasn't the army that did it. >> it's a really good point to make as we are literally at the sesquicentennial of the preliminary e emancipation probm proclamation, plus a couple of weeks, and i can't help just noting that here in new york we're proud that new york state was smart enough to request, preserve the preliminary emancipation proclamation in lincoln's hand and send it this year on a statewide tour as well. chicago didn't do quite as well with the final emancipatio
itself did and coming into union lines. but, in fact, in the early part of the war i think more slaves were coming to these ships. >> good point. >> that were operating in the tide waters or estuaries of the south atlantic cote and the gulf coast and, of course, the rivers of the west. when dupont's fleet captured the port royal bay and then spread out to capture all of the south carolina, georgia and florida sea islands and capture a number of other ports there, brunswick,...
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bound to a federal union or european union or state of the united states of europe they can of course leave or negotiate the treaties. bahraini opposition groups say that they're ready for open dialogue with the government without preconditions they also want any results to be put to a referendum this comes after a recent appeal for face to face negotiations by the monarchy seen as essential to quiet the unrest and artie's us airships give reports it's unclear whether the turbulence in the gulf state is any closer to being overcome. and i said dick says his life was shattered his sits on a municipal council in bahrain and several months ago he was shot by police during a peaceful protest out looking at his injuries his lucky to be alive part of an online war and i was with many of the protesters when we were faced by riot police and they did not hesitate to shoot us directly to the head with the bullets the police are using for hunting birds and animals i've been shot at over one hundred ninety two helots that's got it all over my body in the head face arms and legs the most dangerous
bound to a federal union or european union or state of the united states of europe they can of course leave or negotiate the treaties. bahraini opposition groups say that they're ready for open dialogue with the government without preconditions they also want any results to be put to a referendum this comes after a recent appeal for face to face negotiations by the monarchy seen as essential to quiet the unrest and artie's us airships give reports it's unclear whether the turbulence in the gulf...
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on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less but they don't see when the unions do well they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the reason why you have universal free healthcare throughout all of europe is because the european unions in the 40s said we don't want this just for our members, we want this for everybody. everybody has got to have -- >> jennifer: which is really the history of the u.s. labor movement was too. that's what those laws were in the 20s and 30s to provide universal 40-hour workweek and we don't have child labor laws. that's true. i would say unions have an opportunity globally especially in countries that are now growing, like china to be able to level the playing field a lit
on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less but they don't see when the unions do well they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the...
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picking the pockets of non union employees on union work sites. i think you should tell the president and vice president don't pick the american pockets so much. you know, i think republicans at the end of the day want to make a strategic move to extend the middle class tax cuts. but i think these huge revenue numbers which pick taxpayer pockets. don't go so far in that. taxpayers have limits. >> larry, i thought your position in that interview was right. i was thinking i'm glad larry is here in town comes down to my town to talk about economic growth. and we can have all kinds of arguments that you and i have had for years. but your position was right. we have to solve this problem which is going to involve problems in the interest in the economy and full session. nobody is arguing that they are going to do anything to stimulate the economy. they have said the opposite. president obama was saying you don't do this in the middle of a recession. i think jacking up the taxes on the job creators on small businesses it is like 700,000 jobs. >> what ka
picking the pockets of non union employees on union work sites. i think you should tell the president and vice president don't pick the american pockets so much. you know, i think republicans at the end of the day want to make a strategic move to extend the middle class tax cuts. but i think these huge revenue numbers which pick taxpayer pockets. don't go so far in that. taxpayers have limits. >> larry, i thought your position in that interview was right. i was thinking i'm glad larry is...
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union square san francisco, santana row -- >> you and i will be at union square make will be at walnut creek. >> meet the news team as we broadcast life throughout the day at those locations. >> if you can't make it, you can call the number on the screen: or text feed to 80077 donate $10. and you can help those who most need think time of year. >> -- most need it this time of year. >>> fascinating new research out of stanford university about why babies tend to stare at people's faces for long periods of time they are too young to recognize basic shapes but scientists tell us they are processing faces likeu. researchers hooked up electronic sensors to baby's skulls to measure brain activity, spike in visual processing when pictures of faces flashed in front of them the levels dipped when other objects were shown >> we should wave toys when all they want to do is stare at our faces all day. >>> still to come, season of sharing in full swing. >> next, how san francisco firefighters are fulfilling holiday wishes this morning. [ male announcer ] if you're ready to get more from your tv ser
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